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Posted: **Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:59 pm**

There now looks to be a problem downloading the protomol core. This was my 3rd attempt.

[23:45:15] + 4956160 bytes downloaded
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[23:45:15] Verifying core Core_b4.fah...
[23:45:16] Signature is VALID
[23:45:16] 
[23:45:16] Trying to unzip core FahCore_b4.exe
[23:45:20] - Couldn't open file FahCore_b4.exe 
[23:45:20] + Error: Could not extract core
[23:45:20] + Core download error (#6), waiting before retry...


Folding@Home Client Shutdown.

Another unit had a strange problem too. No progress for 3 hours so I restarted it.

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[17:59:15] Project: 10001 (Run 919, Clone 1, Gen 0)
[17:59:15] Reading tar file par_all27_prot_lipid.inp
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[17:59:15] Reading tar file ww_exteq_nowater1.pdb
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[17:59:15] Reading tar file protomol.conf
[17:59:15] Reading tar file core.xml
[17:59:15] Digital signatures verified
[17:59:17] ERROR: Exception in thread 1: @ fah\net\Socket.cpp:139:<unknown> 0: Could not bind socket to 127.0.0.1: No error
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Folding@Home Client Shutdown.


--- Opening Log file [December 22 23:34:31 UTC] 


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

                       Folding@Home Client Version 6.23

                          http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\folding@home3
Executable: C:\folding@home3\Folding@home-Win32-x86.exe
Arguments: -config -local -forceasm -advmethods 

Warning:
 By using the -forceasm flag, you are overriding
 safeguards in the program. If you did not intend to
 do this, please restart the program without -forceasm.
 If work units are not completing fully (and particularly
 if your machine is overclocked), then please discontinue
 use of the flag.

[23:34:31] - Ask before connecting: No
[23:34:31] - User name: Pette_Broad (Team 33258)
[23:34:31] - User ID: 4EFD55B6431FB701
[23:34:31] - Machine ID: 3
[23:34:31] 
[23:34:31] Configuring Folding@Home...


[23:34:53] - Ask before connecting: No
[23:34:53] - User name: Pette_Broad (Team 33258)
[23:34:53] - User ID: 4EFD55B6431FB701
[23:34:53] - Machine ID: 3
[23:34:53] 
[23:34:53] Loaded queue successfully.
[23:34:53] 
[23:34:53] + Processing work unit
[23:34:53] Core required: FahCore_b4.exe
[23:34:53] Core found.
[23:34:53] Working on queue slot 03 [December 22 23:34:53 UTC]
[23:34:53] + Working ...
[23:34:53] *********************** Log Started 22/Dec/2009 17:59:14 ***********************
[23:34:53] ************************** ProtoMol Folding@Home Core **************************
[23:34:53]   Version: 19
[23:34:53]      Type: 180
[23:34:53]      Core: ProtoMol
[23:34:53]   Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
[23:34:53] Copyright: (c) 2009 Stanford University
[23:34:53]    Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
[23:34:53]      Args: -dir work/ -suffix 03 -checkpoint 6 -forceasm -lifeline 1796 -version
[23:34:53]            623
[23:34:53] ************************************ Build *************************************
[23:34:53]      Date: Dec 16 2009
[23:34:53]      Time: 17:02:04
[23:34:53]  Revision: 1746
[23:34:53]  Compiler: Intel(R) C++ MSVC 1500 mode 1110
[23:34:53]   Options: /TP /nologo /EHsc /wd4297 /wd4103 /wd1786 /arch:IA32 /Ox
[23:34:53]            /QaxSSE2,SSE3,SSSE3,SSE4.1,SSE4.2 /Qrestrict /MT
[23:34:53]  Platform: Windows XP
[23:34:53]      Bits: 32
[23:34:53] ************************************ System ************************************
[23:34:53]        OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[23:34:53]       CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz
[23:34:53]    CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 7
[23:34:53]      CPUs: 4 Logical, 1 Physical
[23:34:53]    Memory: 2.00 GB
[23:34:53] ********************************************************************************
[23:34:53] Project: 10001 (Run 919, Clone 1, Gen 0)
[23:34:53] Reading tar file par_all27_prot_lipid.inp
[23:34:53] Reading tar file scpismQuartic.inp
[23:34:53] Reading tar file ww_exteq_nowater1.pdb
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[23:34:53] Reading tar file protomol.conf
[23:34:53] Reading tar file core.xml
[23:34:53] Digital signatures verified
[23:34:53] ERROR: Exception in thread 1: @ fah\net\Socket.cpp:139:<unknown> 0: Could not bind socket to 127.0.0.1: No error
[23:34:53] Completed 0 out of 200000 steps (0%)
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[23:35:25] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[23:35:25] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[23:35:30] 
[23:35:30] + Processing work unit
[23:35:30] Core required: FahCore_b4.exe
[23:35:30] Core found.
[23:35:30] Working on queue slot 03 [December 22 23:35:30 UTC]
[23:35:30] + Working ...
[23:35:31] *********************** Log Started 22/Dec/2009 17:59:14 ***********************
[23:35:31] ************************** ProtoMol Folding@Home Core **************************
[23:35:31]   Version: 19
[23:35:31]      Type: 180
[23:35:31]      Core: ProtoMol
[23:35:31]   Website: http://folding.stanford.edu/
[23:35:31] Copyright: (c) 2009 Stanford University
[23:35:31]    Author: Joseph Coffland <joseph@cauldrondevelopment.com>
[23:35:31]      Args: -dir work/ -suffix 03 -checkpoint 6 -forceasm -lifeline 1796 -version
[23:35:31]            623
[23:35:31] ************************************ Build *************************************
[23:35:31]      Date: Dec 16 2009
[23:35:31]      Time: 17:02:04
[23:35:31]  Revision: 1746
[23:35:31]  Compiler: Intel(R) C++ MSVC 1500 mode 1110
[23:35:31]   Options: /TP /nologo /EHsc /wd4297 /wd4103 /wd1786 /arch:IA32 /Ox
[23:35:31]            /QaxSSE2,SSE3,SSSE3,SSE4.1,SSE4.2 /Qrestrict /MT
[23:35:31]  Platform: Windows XP
[23:35:31]      Bits: 32
[23:35:31] ************************************ System ************************************
[23:35:31]        OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[23:35:31]       CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz
[23:35:31]    CPU ID: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 7
[23:35:31]      CPUs: 4 Logical, 1 Physical
[23:35:31]    Memory: 2.00 GB
[23:35:31] ********************************************************************************
[23:35:31] Project: 10001 (Run 919, Clone 1, Gen 0)
[23:35:31] Reading tar file par_all27_prot_lipid.inp
[23:35:31] Reading tar file scpismQuartic.inp
[23:35:31] Reading tar file ww_exteq_nowater1.pdb
[23:35:31] Reading tar file ww_exteq_nowater1.psf
[23:35:31] Reading tar file protomol.conf
[23:35:31] Reading tar file core.xml
[23:35:31] Digital signatures verified
[23:35:31] ERROR: Exception in thread 1: @ fah\net\Socket.cpp:139:<unknown> 0: Could not bind socket to 127.0.0.1: No error
[23:35:31] Completed 0 out of 200000 steps (0%)
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[23:37:57] Completed 112000 out of 200000 steps (56%)
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[23:38:29] CoreStatus = 63 (99)
[23:38:29] + Error starting Folding@Home core.
[23:38:29] - Attempting to download new core...
[23:38:29] + Downloading new core: FahCore_b4.exe
[23:38:31] + 10240 bytes downloaded
[23:38:31] + 20480 bytes downloaded
[23:38:31] + 30720 bytes downloaded
[23:38:31] + 40960 bytes downloaded

Pete

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:27 am**

Brought to you by the not quite ready for prime time players.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:42 am**

On the technical side, this core is able to take advantage of most modern CPU optimizations (SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1 and SSE4.2), however, a few compatibility issues are still present on AMD processors, resulting in the core only using SSE2 on these chips. This should change in the not-too-distant future when the issues have been worked out.

errr

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:52 am**

mdk777 wrote:
On the technical side, this core is able to take advantage of most modern CPU optimizations (SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1 and SSE4.2), however, a few compatibility issues are still present on AMD processors, resulting in the core only using SSE2 on these chips. This should change in the not-too-distant future when the issues have been worked out.
errr

Intel and AMD have reached an agreement that will shortly allow the Intel compiler that Joe has used for this core to properly support all these optimisations for AMD chips. Once Intel release the updated version it should be a matter of a simple recompile to add support for those extensions on AMD processors. The Intel compiler produced code which is still 5-10% faster on AMD than any other compiler Joe tried, but it should be faster still once AMD support is added to the Intel compiler. Therefore for once it is not the Pande Group who are the blockage, but Intel.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:02 am**

That helps John, thanks. I will pass that along to my teammates as well.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:08 am**

Yes, I am aware that the Intel compilers are to blame. It is just another example of the kind of anti-competitive practice that hurts everyone.
Even a project like this Intel cripples AMD CPU.

The agreement you mention and the FTC complaint should help...eventually.

The frustration I meant to express was toward the road blocks to using AMD CPU and AMD GPU. It just doesn't seem to ever end.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:14 am**

Please don't go on AMD vs Intel talks, it's pretty pointless and won't help.

As stated in the news, if you are willing to run this core, you do it at your own risk by adding the -advmethod flags. So if you do so, you're welcome to report performance on your machine (both Intel and AMD, to help Joe find a workaround until he can get an updated compiler).

If you can't stand the bugs or the reduced performance, please remove the -advmethods flag.

Quite an easy choice isn't it ?

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:33 am**

Another strange one...

Pete

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[01:13:50] Completed 84000 out of 200000 steps (42%)
[01:18:34] Completed 86000 out of 200000 steps (43%)
[01:19:51] Saving result file logfile_02.txt
[01:19:51] Saving result file checkpt
[01:19:51] Saving result file checkpt.crc
[01:19:51] Saving result file log.txt
[01:19:51] Saving result file protomol.conf
[01:19:51] Saving result file ww.dcd
[01:19:51] Saving result file ww_exteq_nowater1.75.pos
[01:19:51] Saving result file ww_exteq_nowater1.75.vel
[01:19:52] WARNING: While cleaning up: @ fah\os\SystemUtilities.cpp:123:<unknown> 0: Failed to remove directory '02': boost::filesystem::remove: The process cannot access the file because it is being used by another process: "02\log.txt"
[01:19:52] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[01:19:54] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[01:19:54] Sending work to server
[01:19:54] Project: 10001 (Run 619, Clone 4, Gen 2)


[01:19:54] + Attempting to send results [December 23 01:19:54 UTC]
[01:20:30] + Results successfully sent
[01:20:30] Thank you for your contribution to Folding@Home.
[01:20:30] + Number of Units Completed: 1676

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:38 am**

Pete, this last one you posted has no impact whatsoever, or so I have been told, on the operation of the WU or client. It has been brought up in a couple other threads already. Additionally, although that particular one ended early, it ended as expected.. there was simply no more work to do. It did not EUE.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:48 am**

We have added an addendum to our news story about this http://en.fah-addict.net/news/news-0-13 ... ethods.php

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:50 am**

Tobit wrote:Pete, this last one you posted has no impact whatsoever, or so I have been told, on the operation of the WU or client. It has been brought up in a couple other threads already. Additionally, although that particular one ended early, it ended as expected.. there was simply no more work to do. It did not EUE.

Yeah, the lack of an EUE and the addition to the number of units completed is something I've not seen before. No problem then I guess.

Cheers,

Pete

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:09 am**

Please don't go on AMD vs Intel talks, it's pretty pointless and won't help.

I disagree, it is the only thing that will help.

Well, there a great many people who are unaware that intentionally broken Intel compilers are the cause of problems.
If one reads:

however, a few compatibility issues are still present on AMD processors

One might be lead to believe the defect was with AMD hardware.
So yes it is important to note.

People only seek redress of the wrongs that they are aware of. 99% of computer users do not know the extent to which they have been harmed by these anti-competitive practices.
From the FTC COMPLAINT
http://www.ftc.gov/os/adjpro/d9341/091216intelcmpt.pdf

B. Intel Redesigned its Software to Slow Software Performance on Non-Intel CPUs.
56.
Intel sought to undercut the performance advantage of non-Intel x86 CPUs relative to Intel x86 CPUs when it redesigned and distributed software products, such as compilers and libraries.

This folding software, sounds like it is a significant advancement in computational methods.
It is a pity that it is crippled on my (AMD) hardware.
Pointing out the source of this sabotage, is important if the practice is to be stopped.
Without the work of the EU, AMD, and now the FTC, you really think that Intel would willingly fix these problems?

to help Joe find a workaround until he can get an updated compiler).

The solution is hold INTEL accountable and demand prompt compliance.

SUNLIGHT is the disinfectant for this disease

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:29 am**

John Naylor wrote:We have added an addendum to our news story about this http://en.fah-addict.net/news/news-0-13 ... ethods.php

So, do we get full credit even though it "finished" early? if so, it's almost like bonus points!

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:28 am**

Pette Broad wrote:Another strange one...

Pete

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[01:13:50] Completed 84000 out of 200000 steps (42%)
[01:18:34] Completed 86000 out of 200000 steps (43%)
[01:19:52] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[01:19:54] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[01:19:54] Sending work to server
[01:19:54] Project: 10001 (Run 619, Clone 4, Gen 2)

That WU earned 21.8672 points.

If it had run to 100% it would have earned 50.56 points and if you finished exactly 43% you should earn 21.7408 points. In spite of the early ending of that WU, you got proportional points so your PPD is still just what it would have been.

jrweiss wrote:So, do we get full credit even though it "finished" early? if so, it's almost like bonus points!

No, not full credit or bonus points, but proportional credit for a somewhat shorter WU.

Posted: **Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:42 am**

mdk777 wrote:
Please don't go on AMD vs Intel talks, it's pretty pointless and won't help.
I disagree, it is the only thing that will help.

The FAH developers have to live with the tools that they have today and they do plan to improve the code as soon as a better compiler is available.

* Complain on a website that deals with those issues (like an Intel or AMD website.
* Write a letter to the FTC or your lawyer or your congressman.
... Posting about it on this forum won't help and it just discourages people who fold.
... FAH still needs the science to be done with whatever hardware we donors bring to the project.
* As was already said, you can choose to remove -advmethods and work on something else if it bothers you.

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